tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19421951.post117130246439221868..comments2023-10-18T04:52:43.144-04:00Comments on Autism's Edges: Proliferating Symptom Syndrome, or Longing to Feel at Home in the WorldMothersVoxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02479178355207142195noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19421951.post-1173805285523279692007-03-13T14:01:00.000-04:002007-03-13T14:01:00.000-04:00Anyplace that permits a child to be provoked like ...Anyplace that permits a child to be provoked like that is not a good spot for the most important part of mainstreaming. Completely obnoxious and a symptom of failure on their part.<BR/><BR/>As for the drawings, BEYOND great, not a symptom. Note how much detail she gives to these people? That shows progress! What the comments of the psych seem to show is a lack of understanding about kids, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19421951.post-1172612885468809612007-02-27T16:48:00.000-05:002007-02-27T16:48:00.000-05:00"I'm with Janice, how do you colour without the ou..."I'm with Janice, how do you colour without the outline?" <BR/><BR/>My daughter - autistic - used to cut silhouettes in paper, and without outlines.<BR/><BR/>"Perhaps the psychologist should pull her pencil out from wherever it's stuck and try it for herself."<BR/><BR/>Yep.<BR/><BR/>The woman calls herself a scientist-practitioner (the US model espoused by the APA), and the best she can do is to David N. Andrews M. Ed., C. P. S. E.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10361832306977383560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19421951.post-1172018252033263342007-02-20T19:37:00.000-05:002007-02-20T19:37:00.000-05:00I'm with Janice, how do you colour without the out...I'm with Janice, how do you colour without the outline? Perhaps the psychologist should pull her pencil out from wherever it's stuck and try it for herself.neilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17247582833451153687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19421951.post-1171523438279986002007-02-15T02:10:00.000-05:002007-02-15T02:10:00.000-05:00I thought everyone drew the outline first and then...I thought everyone drew the outline first and then coloured in? I know I did (and still do) <BR/><BR/>I always drew houses like Sweet M does when I was a child (I'm not autistic btw) <BR/><BR/>They're very nice drawings :)Low Flying Angelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17092284437675919695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19421951.post-1171483934060512172007-02-14T15:12:00.000-05:002007-02-14T15:12:00.000-05:00"David and Kyra, Yes, it's sort of awful when ever..."David and Kyra, Yes, it's sort of awful when everything becomes a symptom." <BR/><BR/>Yes. Just laziness of practitioners... nothing else can explain it.<BR/><BR/>"The good news in all of this is that we'd hired another psychologist to go in and have a look at what was going on at the school and she actually wrote in her recommendations that 'teachers should intervene when X (name of girl who David N. Andrews M. Ed., C. P. S. E.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10361832306977383560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19421951.post-1171468385173974692007-02-14T10:53:00.000-05:002007-02-14T10:53:00.000-05:00Kassianne and Jannalou, So great to hear that Swee...Kassianne and Jannalou, So great to hear that Sweet M's drawings aren't abberations. :) I didn't think they were, but it's always good to get a second (or, in this case, third) opinion. <BR/><BR/>Bonnie, It's possible that Sweet M doesn't know the particular class position of the little girl who was provoking her since she hasn't had a playdate with her. But I can assure you that the children MothersVoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02479178355207142195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19421951.post-1171427342443553082007-02-13T23:29:00.000-05:002007-02-13T23:29:00.000-05:00If I could show you some of my art from the figure...If I could show you some of my art from the figure drawing class I took last year, you would see a remarkable thing:<BR/><BR/>They are all outlined and then shaded. And they're fairly realistic, to boot.<BR/><BR/>Check out the art over at <A HREF="http://www.wga.hu/index1.html" REL="nofollow">The Web Gallery of Art</A> for samples of work by the <B>masters</B>.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and I like drawing "Jannalouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16013268003390172957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19421951.post-1171420849852066112007-02-13T21:40:00.000-05:002007-02-13T21:40:00.000-05:00oh. those drawings are so very beautiful! i love t...oh. those drawings are so very beautiful! i love them! i don't, however, love this psychologist. is this the same one you've mentioned before that i don't like? ugh. why is it GOOD to not react to being provoked in a way that is classist and unjust? huh? and why is it NOT okay to outline and color in? this is what my husband does every day in his work and he is a cartoonist and illustrator. ugh. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19421951.post-1171407640403589182007-02-13T18:00:00.000-05:002007-02-13T18:00:00.000-05:00Beautiful pictures!Here's another approach to make...Beautiful pictures!<BR/><BR/>Here's another approach to make the point about the chair. Show up at school at lunchtime, go to the teacher's lounge and steal the chairs of the teacher and psychologist while they are with <I>their</I> peers. <BR/><BR/>Or maybe not. A direct approach, while not as fun, is probably better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19421951.post-1171406185480611992007-02-13T17:36:00.000-05:002007-02-13T17:36:00.000-05:00I have to say that I am surprised as well by the p...I have to say that I am surprised as well by the psychologist's story. My child is someone who didn't care when other kids took her stuff - and it's something all her therapists and teachers have been working on, to encourage her to speak up and say "That's mine!" That's the appropriate response - more so than the passivity my child had been displaying. Her whole team was pleased when she began Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19421951.post-1171397185185121362007-02-13T15:06:00.000-05:002007-02-13T15:06:00.000-05:00Her drawings are beautiful. I LOVE her coloring an...Her drawings are beautiful. I LOVE her coloring and interpretation. I'd certainly frame at least one of the house pictures and that one with the queen and hearts.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and gotta hate the rich mean girl!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19421951.post-1171372705624885202007-02-13T08:18:00.000-05:002007-02-13T08:18:00.000-05:00When I was M's age, I had no idea which of the oth...When I was M's age, I had no idea which of the other kids at my school came from wealthy families. I didn't even know that some people still divided kids up by social class in the modern era. I thought that sort of behavior was found only in historical fiction, like the book "A Little Princess," where one of the pupils at an exclusive boarding school in the 1800s ran out of money and ended up Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19421951.post-1171362842736533142007-02-13T05:34:00.000-05:002007-02-13T05:34:00.000-05:00MV: "The first sign of progress was that she was l...MV: "The first sign of progress was that she was letting the daughter of one of the wealthiest families at the school steal her chair and she wasn't complaining about it." <BR/><BR/>What?<BR/><BR/>MV: "As it was described to me, this little girl was stealing Sweet M's seat just to get a see what M would do." <BR/><BR/>And if M were to do the same, she'd be in that horible version that schools David N. Andrews M. Ed., C. P. S. E.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10361832306977383560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19421951.post-1171347183164992392007-02-13T01:13:00.000-05:002007-02-13T01:13:00.000-05:00Like you and Kassiane, I wouldn't call letting som...Like you and Kassiane, I wouldn't call letting somebody push M around "progress." I'd call it "time for the adult who's noticing it and calling it 'progress' to get off their butt and intervene."<BR/><BR/>I love M's drawings, though. Those bold lines, the symmetry. And I love how she gives all the people 5 fingers on each hand. (Hands are hard to draw--it's always easier for me to cheat and just Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19421951.post-1171342436621583082007-02-12T23:53:00.000-05:002007-02-12T23:53:00.000-05:00It's the colors that stand out to me----and the ca...It's the colors that stand out to me----and the careful attention to line and form, and the unassuming symmetry.<BR/><BR/>Warm thoughts!kristinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01104388229716638534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19421951.post-1171340177969670562007-02-12T23:16:00.000-05:002007-02-12T23:16:00.000-05:00First, I think it's really a pathology of the psyc...First, I think it's really a pathology of the psychologist that she thinks it's a GOOD thing that M lets herself be bullied...that's wrong on about 1000 levels and I just want to swoop in and give the whole class a big loud lecture (M would be given earplugs).<BR/><BR/>Second, she draws a beautiful "autistic house". According to my Dad, who was diagnosed in the beginning of the era of ABA, that'sNeurodivergent Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02815685510033244185noreply@blogger.com